Marc Favreau

The author has 25 years of automotive experience and has assembled the most extensive collection of symbols and warning lights anywhere (over 1,000!) and can help you open and start any keyless start car with a dead key fob battery. BA, St. Joseph's College, ME: MS, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY

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Poor Service Communication, Part II

Communication Sets the Tone

A few weeks ago (April 2019), we focused on how poorly service personnel often communicate with their customers, using examples that in the end lead to several customers being underserved.

Two weeks later the tables turned, and so we want to pass along how it can often be necessary to translate what a customer is saying into a solvable problem. Which is to say that no matter who may be communicating poorly, the onus stays on the service side.

A Success

We got a call from a driver who had been unable to get into her Cadillac Escalade. Her key fob had died and the car hides its keyhole in two very different ways, but those ways look nearly identical.

Cadillac capThis cap (right) at the back of the driver’s door handle hides the key hole and it, or some part of it, needs to be removed. The slot shown in the image did not exist on the earlier version of the Escalade she had, and she had not found our video for the proper process. Cadillac in their infinite wisdom changed the cap removal process in the middle of 2017 model year.

To her credit, she did not try to force off the cap, which would have damaged the car. But here is where things went sideways.

As I explained that the top 1/8 inch piece of the cap needed to be pushed to the side, she attempted to assure me that she understood by saying, “so the platinum piece is what needs to be removed.”

My immediate reaction internally was that there isn’t a car on the planet with a drop of visible platinum. The vehicle wouldn’t be in anyone’s price range. So I asked to clarify. She pretty much repeated the same thing, but it dawned on me that she was describing the color of the outermost portion of the cap. Platinum as a color, not a metal.

Translation successful.

Another Success

Seat belt warningThis brought me back to another phone call where a driver called in to a dealership I was working at saying there was a red light blinking on her instrument panel. I asked here to describe it. She said a man riding a horse!

I thought for a moment and asked if she had her seat belt on. She didn’t and can you imagine it?

Another successful translation.

A Embarrassing Failure

Which takes us to a very embarrassing failure. A lady approached a parts department counter I worked at years ago and said she wanted to get her husband a hide a bed. There were three of us standing there, and we were mildly successful at holding back a laugh, because we all collectively saw this in our heads.

Truck bed linerNone of us were able to translate her request until after she had left clearly flustered. And in just a few minutes. Frankly we were embarrassed as well.

She wanted a pick-up truck bed liner. A truly failed translation, and frankly a lost sale.

Now I don’t know any useful procedure for fixing this. But I can add a bit that might help. The lady describing a piece as platinum could easily have been an artist, accustomed to many more color names than most of us. I know for sure that the driver not wearing her seat belt lived in equestrian country and is likely rider. And the lady looking for a hide a bed is simply likely more comfortable talking household items than truck parts.

The last one is the easiest to address by far, which is to suggest that parts and service personnel recognize that most women will likely be at the greatest disadvantage and certainly don’t need to be condescended to.

From all three we can say that knowing your potential audience will go a long way in helping to translate people language to an automotive variant. The auto world truly has its own language.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/04/poor-service-communication-part-ii/

Poor Communication Makes for Poor Service

Communication is Key

As a result of two 2019 incidents involving two different individuals and two very different issues, we want to talk about service, from both sides of the counter. The bottom line in both is very poor communication. And the fault, for better or worse, lies with the service personnel.

What Battery Problem?

The first involved a routine oil change and a battery. In the course of changing the oil in my friend’s car, the dealer evidently did a battery check. What was conveyed to the owner by the service writer was that the battery was at “75%”, which was changed a moment later to “50%”.

Now the point here is that the information, while it might actually have some meaning, was meaningless to my friend. There was no indication of what test was performed and how it was performed and the meaning of the percentages.

With today’s maintenance free batteries, its difficult but not impossible to test the electrolyte in individual cells. There may be screw caps that can be removed, but more commonly, one entire side of the top of the battery would need to be pried off.

Percentage chartAt this point, you can do an electrolyte test. Here is where percentages may result, but as you would be able to see from the chart to the right if it were larger, the results are temperature dependent and certainly don’t vary a full 25% at any given temperature.

Load testerA load test may have been done, which is also temperature dependent, and it can identify a bad cell in the battery simply by the drop in voltage. Anything below a value at a given temperature shown indicates a bad cell, but percentages are not a result.

Now, there are two ends to this story. The first, because the information given didn’t seem credible, the owner opted not to replace his battery. It hadn’t given him a problem.

The second is that a month later, his battery died.

In hindsight, its quite likely that whatever test that was done actually did find a weak battery. But nearly all of us step into a service department with a little skepticism, ready to say no to any add on service. This makes it critical for service personnel to communicate fully and patiently to any customer in the case of something truly necessary. As it happens, my friend is pretty well informed and would have understood a properly explained test.

Tire “Patching”

The second situation is a tire issue, and led to a cascade of mistakes. It started with a leaking front tire and the tire shop my second friend visited said that the tire could be patched.

Band aidNow this friend is not so well informed, and when she asked my opinion after the fact, the very look on her face when she said the word patch said it all. This is what the word meant to her! There was no way that she could envision a “band aid” being the proper repair!

Tire plugSo we have error one by the tire store, and by a supposedly experienced person. Its not a patch. What they would have used is this version of a plug! A long cylindrical piece of rubber that is pushed into the the hole, made by a nail in this case. A plug would have made far more sense to my friend and would have been a perfectly satisfactory repair.

The alternative she was given was to buy not one but two tires, which was actually accurate. Given the wear on the tires, buying one was not the proper service. We’ll come back to this.

We are now at mistake number two. The new tires were left on the front. And I don’t care what your own instincts are or what your experience tells you, this is flat out wrong. The best tread belongs in the back of the car to keep the trailing tires in line with the front tires.

Take a look at Michelin Tire’s web site for a video that will show this far better than I can explain it.

How Many Tires?

Which brings us to mistake number 3. Remember, once it was decided to replace the leaking tire, a second tire was necessary. The question then is why, and is it possible that all 4 should have been replaced!

The answer lies in the difference in tread depth. There is some amount of competing information out there, but a good rule of thumb is that if the tire depths vary by 30% or more, the mate on the other side needs to be replaced as well, and if the other two tires are also outside this spec, all 4 must be replaced. This is to protect the axles from coming apart due to wheels turning at different speeds, particularly on all wheel drive vehicles, as hers is.

Now, her new tires measured at 10/32s, like the gauge shows here. The older tires measured at 4/32. This is way outside 30%. The back tires would have needed 7 to 8/32 to qualify.

The supposedly experienced salesman insisted this didn’t matter, but she bought the two additional tires regardless. And she was right to do it.

Now lots of people would have replaced their tires once they were down to 4/32. Note that the wear bars in tires are set at 2/32, which is the end of the line, and pretty much where my tires are now. I’ll be buying 4 very soon. So while she might have been able to stretch her tires another few thousand miles, it didn’t hurt to put new tires on.

But all of this began with the word patch, and while it is in common use in the industry, if you’re a service person, it rests on your shoulders to understand that it could very well have an entirely different meaning to your customers.

And this is easily true in any service business in any industry. What is common knowledge to you is very likely foreign to your customers. That’s why they come to you in the first place. So hold tight to the idea that words matter. And buyer beware be damned, if you’re in a service business, the responsibility belongs to you.

Check out Part II from a few weeks later.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/02/poor-communication-makes-for-poor-service/

Fuel Shut Off and Shut Off Fault Indicators

Fuel Shut Off

Fuel Cut OffThis is a Fuel Shut Off Indicator symbol. It is essentially the same symbol long used as a low fuel indicator, but with a line crossed through it. The symbol indicates that the fuel has been cut off automatically due to an accident.

  • Before continuing, are you sure one of these is your symbol?? If yes, then read on below.
  • Otherwise you can return to our main Picture Symbols page and scan again!

If an accident has not occurred, then roadside assistance will be needed, as it now indicates a problem with the shutoff system, as does the next symbol.

This version, with the added exclamation point, is a Fuel Shut Off Fault Indicator. It indicates that the shut off system has failed. A qualified service shop will be needed to address the safety system.

Low Fuel IndicatorLow Battery WarningDo not confuse this symbol with either of these two. Click here for information on the first one and click here for the second.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/01/fuel-shut-off-indicator/

Dusk Sensor or Automatic Headlight Malfunction Indicator

Dusk Sensor

This is a Dusk Sensor or Automatic Headlight Malfunction Indicator symbol. Automatic headlights turn on or off depending on the amount of ambient light detected. This in turn is dependent on a properly functioning light sensor.

  • Before continuing, is this truly your symbol?? If yes, continue below.
  • Otherwise return to our main Picture Symbols page and scan again!

The image in the symbol looks more like a standard household incandescent light bulb than anything automotive. It includes an exclamation point to highlight a problem and the text AUTO to point to the automatic headlight system. The symbol is shown in amber/yellow.

Lamp Out SymbolHeadlamp Out IndicatorThese symbols to the left are generally reserved as headlight out indicators, whether in green or yellow/amber. The exclamation point or the X indicate a light out. However, at least one manufacturer uses them to indicate a light sensor problem. Text in the vehicle’s message center will state this explicitly.

Note that in many cases, the sensor may simply be blocked or dirty. It will generally be found near the top center of the windshield. If this area is clean, a qualified service shop will be needed.

Similar Symbol

Auto Headlamp Dimmer IndicatorDon’t confuse the first symbol with this one to the right. Click here for more.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/01/dusk-sensor-or-automatic-headlight-malfunction-indicator/

Windshield Wiper Failure Indicators

Wiper Failure

These are Windshield Wiper Failure Indicator symbols. The yellow/amber images of the windshield and wiper, one with the added exclamation point, means that the either the front or rear windshield wipers are inoperative, but does not help with additional diagnosis.

  • Before continuing, are you sure one of these is your symbol?? If yes, then read on below.
  • Otherwise, you can return to our main Picture Symbols page and scan again!

The fault could lie in the windshield wiper switch, the wiper motor, or within the wiring or connectors. Each component will need to be checked individually by your dealer or a qualified repair shop.

Similar Symbols

Rain sensor indicatorAuto wiper indicatorWindshield Washer Fluid Low IndicatorDo not confuse the symbol with any of these similar symbols to the right. Click here for more on the first one, and click here for more on the last two.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/01/windshield-wiper-failure-indicator/

Automatic Windshield Wiper Fault Indicator Symbols

Auto Wipers

Auto wiper indicatorRain sensor indicatorRain sensor twoAuto windshield wiper indicatorRain sensorUnless they appear in green or black and white, all of these symbols are various forms of an Automatic Windshield Wiper Fault Indicator symbol. Each is meant to point to a problem that has caused the automatic wipers to shut down. In white or green, they simply indicate that the system is active.

  • Before continuing, are you sure one of these is your symbol?? If yes, then read on below.
  • Otherwise, you can return to our main Picture Symbols page and scan again!

Lane keep and rain sense indicatorOne manufacturer has chosen to combine the second symbol with the lane keeping indicator. They are shown in white or gray. In white, both the lane keeping and rain sensing systems are on. In gray, both systems are on but no lane markers are detected.

Light or rain sensor fault indicatorThere is also this one from Audi which for some reason they use as an Automatic Headlight Dimmer Indicator as well.  This looks like a hat or a lid open on one side with beams coming out of it to an oval shape.

All the images are in yellow/amber, which indicates a problem. Note that in all cases, the windshield wipers will continue to work, but will have to be operated manually. The automated systems work by sensing water on the windshield.

Starting on the top left, the image depicts a windshield with the wiper blade extended to one side. The word AUTO appears at the top. This offers easily the clearest message of the three, that there is a problem with the system that may or may not include a problem with the rain sensing gear.

The middle image also includes the windshield and wiper blade, but adds a water droplet on one side. It is also in yellow/amber, which, along with it being illuminated, is the only indication of a problem. The message here is that the rain or moisture sensor is likely dirty or blocked.

The last one is a puzzle. An exclamation point is shown next to what is a cloud with rain falling from it. One could imagine a driver believing that this is a weather forecast, given the sophisticated nature of today’s cars. Sadly, it too is meant only to indicate a problem with the rain sensor(s).

Similar Symbols

Windshield Washer Fluid Low IndicatorDo not confuse any of these symbols with this one. Click here for more about the first image and click here for more on the last one.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/01/automatic-windshield-wiper-fault-indicator-symbols/

Alfa Romeo Adds to Auto Symbol Overload

Too Many Symbols!

We recently took our first look at an Alfa Romeo. In the last two years they have new, more mainstream models, the Giulia sedan and Stelvio SUV, which boosted overall sales and begged for coverage.

First up we created our usual back-up open and start pages for push button start, since these new models are the first in the line up with the feature. We’ll find one for a video soon. We then took a look at their owner’s manuals in case there were any new tell tales to add. And that becomes the subject today.

We found no less than 12 new symbols or modifications of existing symbols in the cars and a new use for an existing symbol. That last one at least uses a pre-existing symbol as is.

Are These Necessary?

This continues to pointlessly swell the already absurd number of tell tales that drivers face on a day to day basis. And make no mistake, the industry from the manufacturer on down to retail employees expects drivers to be fully versed on these things. Here are some examples.

Dusk sensorThis is a dusk sensor failure indicator. In Alpha’s defense, it is at least a new system. But does the image of a light bulb really help here? The symbol points out that the vehicle’s automatic headlight system is inoperable despite being activated. However, these cars, as well as pretty much all others manufactured today, are fully capable of providing a clear text message such as this in the instrument panel instead. Why not?

Auto wiperThis one is a rain sensor failure. We’ve seen this represented as a windshield with the wiper and a drop of water or as a similar symbol with the word AUTO (right). Any of these are meant to represent an automatic wiper system. But this new one could easily be mistaken for a weather forecast.

Ice warningFrost Warning IndicatorAfter all, there is this symbol (left), which warns of possible icy road conditions! This is, by the way, a modification of a preexisting tell tale (right) that leaves out the lane lines. Again, in both cases a message could be displayed in the instrument panel in plain language.

Speed limiterThis one indicates a speed limiter failure. Now, lets consider that tell tales in general are meant to illustrate an automotive system in a way that can be easily understood by the general population. However, the incomplete circle with a dashed line inside is completely meaningless. This is a true warning light fail.

Fuel shutoffI won’t cover each one, but this one deserves mention because of its near complete lack of utility. It is the standard gas pump used as a low fuel warning for years, now with a line running through it. It is meant to indicate that the fuel has been shut off due to an accident. I can’t help but believe that if a driver has been in an accident severe enough for the car to shut off the fuel supply, it will be the last thing he or she will be concerned about. Plus it will only be illuminated if the key is left on!

LockAnd finally, since it was mentioned at the start, Alpha has given the image of the padlock straddling a car a new use. It will tell you that there was a failed attempt at a break in. If the break in was successful, I suppose it would be obvious. In any case, this one has some utility and at least went unmodified.

We are now approaching 300 distinct symbols or variations of symbols hosted at DashboardSymbols.com. We’ve argued much of this already but bears repeating: the entire system is all but useless. First, there are too many variations for drivers to be fully versed on period. Second, as already noted, today’s vehicles can point out a problem in plain, easily understood language. And fourth, since eyes belong on the road and not looking at symbols or text, the computing power exists for today’s cars to speak the problem and verbally even offer up additional information or solutions.

As far as we are concerned, if you can order a pizza from your car by voice, you should damn well be able to get real information about an ongoing problem. The car knows and the symbols are a futile attempt to communicate what it knows to its driver.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2019/01/alfa-romeo-adds-to-auto-symbol-overload/