Tag: Dead key fob

Hyundai, Kia, Genesis back up entry page overhaul is complete

Kia LogoBack up entry page overhaul

We just completed the last step of a Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis back up entry page overhaul. The intent is to fully separate the three manufacturers who now have way too many back up entry processes.

As a first step, we separated Genesis, admittedly the simplest of the three. Overall, the page used to have only a handful of entry processes, made necessary when the battery in the key fob dies. But Hyundai in particular seems to add a new one each year!

The final step was to move Kia to its own page, leaving parent company Hyundai to populate the original. Its done, and we believe that the result is a cleaner and simpler user experience across all three vehicle lines.

And given that we have 18 videos from all three manufacturers lumped together, it’s likely time to separate them as well…

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

The new Genesis page is here.

The new Kia page is here.

And the original page, now belonging solely to Hyundai, is here.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/hyundai-kia-genesis-back-up-entry-page-overhaul-is-complete/

Open a Genesis with a Dead Key Fob

How to Open a Genesis with a Dead Key Fob

  • First, if you are already inside, click here for help getting started!
  • Second, you can find video help here!
  • Finally, if you need or want another manufacturer, click here.

Retrieving the mechanical key

hyundai Mechanical KeyTo use the most common Genesis key fob, press and hold the release button at the key ring end of the remote control or ‘clicker’ and pull the key ring to remove mechanical key. Use the key to unlock the driver’s door. They remain in limited use today (2025).

Newer version key fobs are available from the car maker. They look very similar and operate in the same way.

Genesis key fob openIf a key hole is visible, use the key to unlock the driver’s door.

Genesis has added a new key fob, which has the mechanical key inside the fob. To remove the mechanical key first place a soft cloth over the groove on the side of the fob (narrow arrow). The cloth is for protection of the plastic. Then use a small screwdriver to pry open the cover. Do this carefully! The press the mechanical key (large blue arrow) on the bottom end and remove it from fob.

Genesis mechanical keyGenesis has also introduced new digital access options, which has resulted in a mechanical key being supplied separately from yet another new fob! It is removed by putting a little pressure on the long end and pushing it out.

In our opinion, this development is a prescription for disaster, as the mechanical keys can easily be lost or simply left behind, so by all means activate the additional unlock features described below!

Hidden Keyholes

Two Piece Door Handles

Kia Keyhole CoverThe newly-independent Genesis line, who’s models debuted in 2017, adopted the hidden keyhole trick. Changes were made to the G80 and GV80 in 2021 and newly introduced models use other methods found below. These models all feature a two-piece door handle. As shown in the image to the left, press the mechanical key into the slot found under the cover at the back of the driver’s door handle (1) and pull forward and up (2). Note that the moment the once the key is in the slot, the cover is free to move with your hands! There is a black button in the slot that is being pushed up with the key in this move.

One Piece Door Handles

Hyundai flush handleGenesis GV60 and G90 (beginning with the 2023 model year) vehicles feature a flush door handle.  A push on the front of the handle will rotate the rear part outward. Then pull the handle out as far as it will go. In the GV60, the key hole is immediately visible (left). The mechanical key can be inserted and turned to unlock the vehicle.

G90 key hole coverThe G90 adds a cover that is revealed when the handle is pulled out, likely protection from the elements. Swing it out towards the rear of the car (right). The key hole is revealed and the key can be used to unlock the car.

Volvo Style 2 LockBeginning in 2021, in G80, GV70 and GV80 models, the key hole or lock cylinder is revealed immediately behind the driver’s door handle when it is pulled to the open position, as seen to the left.  The mechanical or emergency key can then be simply inserted into the key hole and turned to unlock and open the vehicle.

Digital Unlock Options

Genesis digital keyGenesis vehicles that include a separate mechanical key include two digital options and a facial recognition option. Digital options include a pre-registered card key and a smart phone app on a registered smart phone. The card key and app can also start the car. However, facial recognition will only open the vehicle, so the key fob, card key or smart phone app will be needed to start the car.

Place the registered smart phone or card key against the pad for two seconds to unlock the driver’s door and for four seconds to unlock all the doors.

Genesis face recognitionFacial recognition is accomplished using a camera mounted in the pillar behind the driver’s door. Again, this will only allow entry and other means will be needed to start the car, so this is of limited value.

However, given that the mechanical key is supplied separately and can be far too easily misplaced, we highly recommend following the instructions in the owner’s manual to activate both the smart phone and facial recognition features as back up entry options and to keep the card key with you at all times.

Also, check our videos for additional help.

Continue to Part II, Getting Started …

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/open-a-genesis-with-a-dead-key-fob/

Kia back up entry update includes a new entry method

Kia LogoKia back up entry update

We have a new Kia back up entry update and, very much like we stated for Hyundai, the new processes make us wish they’d make up their minds. Back up entry processes are necessary for those moments when the key fob’s battery dies, which happens all too often. There is a brand new way to expose the key hole on the new EV9 and, again like parent Hyundai, the company has a new mechanical key that is separate from the key fob. Kia also has new digital — smart phone — access options.

G90 key hole coverThe EV9 uses a one-piece handle, but a piece still needs to be removed to get a shot at the key hole. To do so, the door handle needs to be held open. Then the small somewhat flimsy cover needs to be removed (right). We used a finger nail in the video we did of the process, but the mechanical key may work better. Check out the video here.

We’ll say again, and keep saying it, that we really dislike the idea of mechanical keys not being integrated into the fob. The mechanical keys can easily be lost or simply left behind, and digital options on the smart phone have proven to be less than 100% effective and requires the start battery to be charged. A mechanical key is always 100% effective!

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

You can see the back entry page here. BTW, the page has become so unwieldy we intend to separate the three manufacturers. Soon.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/kia-back-up-entry-update-includes-a-new-entry-method/

New video dropped on our YouTube channel: Open and Start a Kia EV9 with a dead key fob battery

Kia LogoOpen and Start a Kia EV9

We have added a video to our YouTube channel demonstrating how to open and start a Kia EV9 with a dead key fob battery. The model offers a new and unique key hole cover to overcome (below right).

G90 key hole coverThe door handle needs to be help all the way open while removing the cover. The mechanical key is supposed to be used to do this but we used a finger nail and feel like the cover could be damaged by the key.

And that mechanical key is supplied as a separate part! This is a disturbing trend among manufacturers offering digital options. Read smart phone. However, we have seen software issues that could leave a driver stranded. That separate mechanical key is way too easily lost!

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

You can see the new video on our YouTube channel here, or on our Kia page, which now has 17 videos, including those for Hyundai and Genesis begging to be separated, here.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/new-video-dropped-on-our-youtube-channel-open-and-start-a-kia-ev9-with-a-dead-key-fob-battery/

Why the alarm sounds when you unlock a keyless start car with its mechanical key!

Dead fob iconUnlock a Keyless Start Car

For reasons we could not initially fathom, when we would unlock a keyless start car with its own mechanical key would set off the alarm. We have some 150 videos on our YouTube channel that attest to this. Ultimately we would warn that the alarm may go off, we’ve come to realize that we do this too late in the videos, leaving drivers “alarmed” themselves!

We wondered why for years and realized why some year later but did not share that information with you.

We’ll correct that here and begin a broader correction on YouTube. So here we go…

The reason the alarm sounds is that the physical key is and remains too easily copy. When they were first introduced, a clay mold would have been needed but, since the introduction of 3D printing, all that is needed is an electronic scan of a key and an unscrupulous person could get inside and steal anything valuable.

The alarm turns off when the fob is recognized while using the back up start method. The car then knows that the mechanical key is not a copy. Only the presence of the electronics in the fob guarantees that the use of the mechanical key is done so by the owner of the vehicle itself.

Setting off the alarm is disconcerting at best and suggests we should have been more judicious in our videos when passing along the possibility of the alarm sounding. Meaning we should warn our viewers of the possibility at the start of each video!

We are considered re-doing every video in our collection, but won’t. It would actually hurt the channel, as each video’s views would be lost. What we will do is offer a warning in each write-up and hopefully help avoid scaring the living daylights out of you…

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

Our YouTube channel is here and our video page is here.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/why-the-alarm-sounds-when-you-unlock-a-keyless-start-car-with-its-mechanical-key/

Replacing a General Motors key fob battery

GM logoGeneral Motors key fob battery

We recently added a new video replacing a General Motors key fob battery. The fob is used in various Buick, Chevrolet and GMC models and Cadillac uses a mirror version of the same fob.

The fob uses a larger battery than is typically seen, a CR 2450. It will last longer than the more common CR 2032. The embedded mechanical key and the tip of a very small screwdriver will be needed as tools.

The video has been added to our Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC, and pages here, here, here, and here respectively. Overall, we now have a seven videos that help drivers of GM models in the event that the battery in the key fob dies. These videos will help you get in and start your vehicle even if it is not responding to the key fob, as well as replacing the battery in the fob.

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/replacing-a-general-motors-key-fob-battery/

Hyundai back up entry update adds a new entry method and mechanical key problem

Hyundai logoHyundai back up entry update

We have a new Hyundai back up entry update and the new processes make us wish they’d make up their minds. Back up entry processes are necessary for those moments when the key fob’s battery dies, which happens all too often. There is a brand new way to expose the key hole on the new Kona and, with the addition of digital access options, the company has a new mechanical key that is separate from the key fob.

2024 Kona door handleThe redesigned Kona uses a two-piece handle that looks like those on the Santa Cruz, Sonata and Tucson. However, the piece that needs to be removed is done so from behind (right)! To get at the key hole, lift the door handle and hold it in the open position. Slip the mechanical key into the open slot in the cap from behind it and rotate the cap upwards. It will come free, exposing the key hole. We have yet to try this.

2022 Hyundai mechanical keyThe new key fob that results in a separate mechanical key was actually introduced in 2022, with the introduction of the Ionic 6. This was also the first model to have a digital access option. To use the mechanical key (right), a protective cover must be removed and its handle rotated down as the illustration shows.

We really dislike this development. The mechanical keys can easily be lost or simply left behind, and digital options on the smart phone have proven to be less than 100% effective and requires the start battery to be charged. A mechanical key is always 100% effective!

Smart Keys or Intelligent Keys, or Access Keys – or whatever the manufacturer of your chooses to call them – that let you into your car and start it with just a touch use up their internal batteries at alarming rates, catching busy drivers unawares – even though the car had tried to warn you.

Our goal is to help you feel safe – and keep you moving or get you moving if at all possible – rather than leave you fretting whenever your key fob stops working. The instructions for getting into and starting most keyless start cars can be found on our pages – without roadside assistance.

You can see the back entry page here.

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Remember that only proper service and repair procedures will ensure the safe and reliable operation of your car. In addition, proper safety procedures and precautions, such as the  use of safety goggles, the right tools and the equipment should be followed at all times to eliminate the possibility of personal injury or improper service which could damage the vehicle or compromise its safety.

These posts are for information sharing purposes only, and should not be used in lieu of an OEM service manual or factory authorized service procedure. We are not in the auto repair business nor do we publish automotive service manuals. Nothing we include on these pages and posts has been reviewed, approved or authorized by any vehicle manufacturer.

Technology is always changing and what is current and accurate today may be literally out-of-date and inaccurate tomorrow. And when it comes to the current state of flux in the auto industry, nothing is more true.

Permanent link to this article: https://dashboardsymbols.com/2024/09/hyundai-back-up-entry-update-adds-a-new-entry-method-and-mechanical-key-problem/